tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.comments2015-01-03T14:26:19.828-08:00The Sound WordTom Spithalerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-78349662456776666532014-08-19T02:51:48.881-07:002014-08-19T02:51:48.881-07:00 Very nicely written. :-) Very nicely written. :-)Sandra Kosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07769855412270167940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-85650756031307212272014-04-21T07:47:33.443-07:002014-04-21T07:47:33.443-07:00Tom; such a long time in seeing your blog;excellen...Tom; such a long time in seeing your blog;excellent words of wisdom. Though I never gave much thought to MM I can see how deceptive words can be.Jesus said "BE GONE,SATAN! FOR IT IS WRITTEN,YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE." When we begin to grow in the word ,we will gain wisdom and and I find my self seeking His word first. May the Lord bless you for be attentive to His words and His leading.....<br />your brother in Christ tom.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15545382820571977257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-39534620528054189592013-01-30T22:50:43.531-08:002013-01-30T22:50:43.531-08:00As I reread this blog,The Lord awakened in me this...As I reread this blog,The Lord awakened in me this.<br />"Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know." (Acts 2:22)<br /><br />Jesus did all of His miracles as a man, not as God. Let that sink in. This is a profound truth that has major implications for you and me. It changes everything.<br /><br />Revelations 1:8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega" This is the powerful truth that can be applied now,today.<br />Jesus said He is the beginning and the end and when you read Jn.1:1 you see that He is the word which means we start at the beginning with the word (Jesus). So this is the first step in knowing Gods will. Colossians 1:23, says " Continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you (are learning) have heard." The only way the devil can defeat us is through pressuring us to doubt. Do not disregard the word, it is life to those who find it. Every challenge that the devil brings is to defeat your thoughts on Gods word (Jesus), so settle in on Gods word by prayer and supplication and stay with His word forever.<br />Jesus say He is the beginning and the end, so no matter what man or the devil say really doesn't matter, doctors or pastors are not the last word. The last word is what God says and Jesus has done. Remember this: You and I are what the WORD says we are, so search the scriptures to find who you are in Christ Jesus and the promises that are ours. For the word says we have life in Christ. Hallelujah, Amen, Praise God!! We have the word and the breakthrough is coming; settle ourselves on Him and be assured He is the last word.<br />H<br />Pastor Bill Johnson writes: "Jesus could not heal the sick. Neither could He deliver the tormented from demons or raise the dead. To believe otherwise is to ignore what Jesus said about Himself, and more importantly, to miss the purpose of His self-imposed restriction to live as a man.<br /><br />Jesus said of Himself: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does (John 5:19-20)." In the Greek language the word 'nothing' has a unique meaning -- it means NOTHING. Just like it does in English! He had NO supernatural capabilities whatsoever!<br /><br />While He is 100 percent God, He chose to live with the same limitations that man would face once He was redeemed. He made that point over and over again. Jesus became the model for all who would embrace the invitation to invade the impossible in His name. He performed miracles, wonders, and signs, as a man in right relationship to God... not as God.<br /><br />If He performed miracles because He was God, then they would be unattainable for us. But if He did them as a man, I am responsible to pursue His lifestyle. Recapturing this simple truth changes everything... and makes possible a full restoration of the ministry of Jesus in His Church. "[1]<br /><br />Jesus said you and I will do even greater works than He did. "I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." (John 14:12-13)<br /><br />The question for each of us is, "How dependent and obedient to the Holy Spirit are we so we can experience this same power?"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13678237569174293133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-81589073636143296182011-10-27T00:02:20.934-07:002011-10-27T00:02:20.934-07:00As i read this blog I find myself in Job.The suffe...As i read this blog I find myself in Job.The suffering of the righteous is the central theme being discussed.Since the question of suffering as it relates to righteous living, seems to be repeated in every generation.This book seems to offer insights to all who read it.The question to me is "Why do the righteous suffer.",Job being the case in point. A rich man,God fearing (1:1-5) subjected to the loss of everything, family, wealth,health,and all he possessed. Yet through all this he maintains his devotion to God. But what I glean through this is that he never renounces God and maintains his integrity. Gods ways are inscrutable, the purposes of God are beyond our comprehension. But again God through His Spirit will at times reveal His will to His body as He deems correct.AS i see it Gods agape love is what I want to focus on as you pointed out to me in the fruit of the Spirit,the most important thing to me is WALKING IN THAT LOVE!!Learning Gods word and applying that knowledge in my life.So as I have found not only truth but a love worth living for.The rain falls on the good as well as the bad,but who is the prince of the earth,whose charge rules the earth at this time.Did not Jesus take back the keys to the kingdom and place them in every believers hand? Don't we as believers have those keys(THE WORD OF GOD),So the more we study to show ourselves approved and speak His truth, His words,and seek direction from His Spirit,we become the instrument He can mold and direct.I know that as I continue to keep my focus on Gods word(Jesus)He reveals that to me He desires me to know.I think back to that night in our prayer group when in my zealousness to push the word, I stepped out on my own and squelched the Spirit.What a great moment occurred that early morning to awake and be corrected by the Lord,yes He loves us and knows our heart and how to correct us through His Love.I believe that Know man can be 100% all the time and when we see error or what we believe to be error then set out to correct that in Love and word.It is never to late to humble ourselves and ask forgiveness,transgressions we will commit,But He is ready to forgive,are we.The world or the Spirit, we choose!I chose the Spirit,now I begin the road to truth.The first commandment is to love God and know what he says will come to fruition.Yes there is an answer,seek and you will find....I believe that Satan is behind every evil act and like the roaring lion he is seeking those he can devour, some of our mistakes are we judge through our carnal mind,I believe that is why we must renew our mind in and through the word.God Has told us in His word what to expect in this carnal world and that is why we read and study. I see Gods judgement has not been cast yet,but we try to bring fear into a world by missing Gods word and interpreting it by our view,Yes my duty is to preach the word unto the world.His job is to judge the world.His word will not return void. So my friend I hope that this will open some thought to reveal some of the quandary we all face. God is GREAT and He may lift His Blessing on anyone or any place He so desires too.I see that happening to the USA,whether I'm right or wrong only He truly Knows.So ponder away but keep your faith and trust.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13678237569174293133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-41840175792346388232011-08-30T21:14:14.168-07:002011-08-30T21:14:14.168-07:00Hi TOM,I have a suggestion that you read[1Jn.4:1 2...Hi TOM,I have a suggestion that you read[1Jn.4:1 21].this is crucial for our modern era,this verse emphasizes believers are not to be naive about claims of spiritual authority,gullibly accepting all such claims.instead,believers are cautioned to subject the spirits to testing to see whether or not they are of God. The presence of false prophets claiming the authority of the Holy Spirit only underscores the necessity of "testing the spirits." "Testing is an evauation of spiritual claims based upon the authority of the scriptures. This leading from the CRISWELL study Bible.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13678237569174293133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-72851599976971504902011-08-18T19:37:34.766-07:002011-08-18T19:37:34.766-07:00I teeter on how I feel about this from time to tim...I teeter on how I feel about this from time to time. While I feel that the doctrine and teachings of reformed theology border on, if not are outright heresy, I do not feel as though this is necessarily a salvational issue. If a man believes that he is saved and can do nothing about that, he may or may not have a believing and true salvational faith in Jesus. This I do not know. I have little doubt that John MacArthur has a salvational faith and understanding that it is though Jesus that he must be saved, but I'm not willing to take it much farther than that. In pRt because I'm not anle to fully explain, or understand the dichotomy between the two.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-45538003291304002862011-08-18T07:42:50.634-07:002011-08-18T07:42:50.634-07:00It takes a forgiving and merciful God to Change he...It takes a forgiving and merciful God to Change hearts.I pray John will find his way to see the word in a different light.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13678237569174293133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-54977627543712538312011-06-22T20:41:22.578-07:002011-06-22T20:41:22.578-07:00Yo tom,just read your blog after we met.Wow you ar...Yo tom,just read your blog after we met.Wow you are on the mark and it is really true of most Christians today.I know because i'm one.Now for the good news GOD Bless the children who are now maturing to adults.So then,whatever you desire that others would do to and for you,even so do also to and for them,for this is(sums up)the law and the Prophets. GOD BLESS,and bring healing to you and yours...ETMjudimoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07857053317041817334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-41659772275941964642011-03-24T08:44:14.063-07:002011-03-24T08:44:14.063-07:00Vijay,
Those are great thoughts. But I have not h...Vijay,<br /><br />Those are great thoughts. But I have not heard of Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism, and I communicate with The One True God every day, and I'm not "enlightened" or a Hindu. <br /><br />Also, I'm curious what makes Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism "sacred"? Can you define "sacred"?Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-10432899890615470482011-03-24T07:34:45.374-07:002011-03-24T07:34:45.374-07:00True... Communicating with god in present scientif...True... <a href="http://www.askvijay.com/Communicating-with-God/" rel="nofollow">Communicating with god</a> in present scientific age becomes possible through path of spirituality... that directly led to God Almighty. One never reached god via path of religion... path of rituals! Communication with god became possible when one reached stage of enlightenment (termed kaivalya in Hinduism)!<br /><br />As per sacred Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism... moment one reached stage of Nirvikalpa Samadhi... one could commune with God Almighty on one-to-one basis every second of life! An enlightened one... one whose soul atman had gained absolute purity finally entered kingdom of god (termed Vaikuntha in Hinduism)... a point of no return!Vijay Kumar Jainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09747744186614307685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-31504155435030814702011-02-07T12:05:33.887-08:002011-02-07T12:05:33.887-08:00Jane, thanks for commenting. Yes, God has certainl...Jane, thanks for commenting. Yes, God has certainly promised us abundant life. Through His Holy Spirit all of our Spiritual needs are met. With regards to relationships like family, a Dad etc, God has mercifully provided us with the perfect foundation in the church body to meet these needs. If our personal family life is bad, for whatever reason, be it drug addiction, alcoholism, abuse, we are told we can find refuge "in Him", and the church body is the best place to seek this. Good godly people from a bible teaching church who's number one goal is to make their congregants the best fed and best loved people in their community are churches where the people truly care for other people, as God has called us to do. <br /><br />With regards to material things, I think this is where a great many teachers get it wrong. Adundance does not mean (necessarily) material things. Certainly God can bless anyone in such a way, but our abundance MUST be founf IN CHRIST. And when it is such, material things no longer hold true value to. What really holds value is things that are eternal - like our realtionship to Jesus, and His Grae and mercies that we can pass on to others in order to further His kingdom, not ours. <br /><br />Loneliness can be a hard thing, but Jesus is always there, and He created the church with a purpose. Take advantage of that purpose. Get plugged in with a local church who's pastor & leadership will seek to feed you spiritually. At that point, there will be no need for lonliness to raise its ugly head again. I will be praying for you!Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-31550258820947624232011-02-06T17:17:43.168-08:002011-02-06T17:17:43.168-08:00I think the things Satan uses to distract us are t...I think the things Satan uses to distract us are the things he tempted Jesus with: food, wealth, and control. <br />Like mhmcintyre said, God does not condemn wealth. I think that God will let you have as much material wealth as you want, as long as you keep Him as your first priority in life. I seriously think that. Doesn't the Bible say that if you put God first, you can have the desires of your heart? Obviously not desires with an evil motive, or stuff God knows wouldn't be good for you, but true, right desires of your heart. Like having friends. Family. Those things that should be free gifts. And if you don't have a dad, God can be your Dad. That type of thing.<br /><br />God promised us an abundant life. I think that abundance starts inside us with virtues and extends to material things once we are spiritually mature enough to be responsible with those material things. Even the things many of us take for granted are very valuable gifts. People who are often alone appreciate people more than those who have people around them all the time. Lonely people get so excited when they get to talk to someone. I think God removes these gifts from our lives so that when we get them back, we can be truly grateful for them.<br />JaneJane Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01297245355593943890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-14161649780211118912010-12-30T12:54:25.000-08:002010-12-30T12:54:25.000-08:00The principle is that of stewardship and being res...The principle is that of stewardship and being responsive to how each of us is called to use his resources for God's glory. All of the things you mentioned are not evil in themselves, but can be used in inappropriate ways and pull us away from God.<br /><br />God does not condemn wealth, but I agree with those who have said that the test of prosperity is a more difficult than the test of poverty. It is much easier to forget God when in luxury than in poverty.<br /><br />Another line that I heard from Alistair Begg years ago, "do you have stuff or does your stuff have you?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-19349517746108304462010-11-14T05:44:07.035-08:002010-11-14T05:44:07.035-08:00The world needs more people like this justice.The world needs more people like this justice.Jane Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01297245355593943890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-74057195368318198242010-11-11T18:59:59.021-08:002010-11-11T18:59:59.021-08:00Who is the player?Who is the player?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126837432651823761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-41842103203214003482010-10-11T14:15:02.628-07:002010-10-11T14:15:02.628-07:00Hey Bob, be my guest. Freely I recieved, Freely I ...Hey Bob, be my guest. Freely I recieved, Freely I give. <br /><br />I was just sharing last week with some pastor friends of mine. We all agreed to 'steal' from each other as often as we like! No sermon that we preach or message that we share has not already been shared by someone before us. If something is new, it is not a revelation, it's just new to us. If something is a revelation, it is not new, just a revelation to us. What we DO have though, is our testimony, each one uniquely designed by God for our use to share Him with others as He has worked in and through us. <br /><br />To me, my testomony, though it is unique, is also not minie. It was worked through me, but the testimony is of God, not of me, and therefore it as well, belongs to Him.<br />I have boght with a price. All that I have, belongs to Him, and to keep it to myself is not living an others-centered life.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-31982237200379475882010-10-11T13:23:56.029-07:002010-10-11T13:23:56.029-07:00Tom:
This is such an amazing testimony and revela...Tom:<br /><br />This is such an amazing testimony and revelation. I can only dream of experiencing what you have experienced ... but there is ten thousand times more for all of us in heaven.<br /><br />I wondered if you would mind if I shared your post on my Paradox Principles blog.<br /><br />In any event, <br />God Bless you my friend, Bob<br />talavera.bob@gmail.comBob Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109037871358072355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-15490828927062298982010-09-18T17:30:30.197-07:002010-09-18T17:30:30.197-07:00Here's my refutation.
http://www.alwaysberea...Here's my refutation. <br /><br />http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31&Itemid=49<br /><br /><br />Charlie Campbell is a dear friend of mine. What he speaks, I hold to be factual. Sorry the link will not appear live. You'll have to copy and paste. Remember, it is not me that you have to convince that the JW's unbiblical dotrine, altering of scripture, changing of dcotrine (as in only 200,00o will get to heaven - OOPS!) etc, etc, is not true biblical Christianity: It's the entire Christian world!!!<br /><br />You're right. I do belive you are blinded. I will be praying for you and all those lost in the JW doctrine.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-87626325325614753022010-09-18T17:21:02.387-07:002010-09-18T17:21:02.387-07:00Ahhh.. yes. I did make such a statement. But in co...Ahhh.. yes. I did make such a statement. But in context, as you can see, it applies to Jesus in the case of Him being just an angel, and not fully God as the Bible defines Him.<br /><br />This blog is not meant or designed to be a place to hold theological debates. It is a place for me to expound my thoughts, my feelings as they apply yo the events taking place in my life. I do not wish this thread to become a debate over JW's theology or a source for apologetical debate. I can give you plenty of links to sites that have already accomplished such tasks.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-19810966795338057912010-09-17T21:05:03.752-07:002010-09-17T21:05:03.752-07:00Hello Tom, you said:
What I'm a little distur...Hello Tom, you said:<br /><br /><i>What I'm a little disturbed with, is that you quoted me as having made a comment I never made. In quotations you referenced a comment I made by saying, "[Jesus] could not have paid the price for mankind’s sins not being our kinsman redeemer." I made no such statement.</i><br /><br />Yes you did. That statement is from your original post above, and is the reason for my responding to you in the first place. There your said:<br /><br /><i>The Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus is “Michael the arc angle” (and thus he could not have paid the price for mankind’s sins not being our kinsman redeemer)</i><br /><br />Such a statement reveals that you don't really understand how we view Jesus Christ, despite your saying that you do. This is really a strawman argument whether you realize it or not.<br /><br />The rest of your response seems to be just more tactless statements of your beliefs, for which you evidently are unwilling to discuss the scriptural backing. Perhaps you feel that I'm blinded Tom, but I'm here willing to actually <i>engage</i> the scriptural evidence and not simply pronounce judgments again and again.TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026162065212920554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-60938599277995546182010-09-17T07:22:05.916-07:002010-09-17T07:22:05.916-07:00TJ,
The discussion of the Trimnity has been settl...TJ,<br /><br />The discussion of the Trimnity has been settled from the time of Christ and before. Genesis 1 did that. It is a fact that is not open to theological debate to Orthodox Christians. It is a foundational standard for accepted biblical orthodox Christianity. I have seen the arguments, read your web site, debated them in person and in print, and do not need to do so again. My comments or apologetics on the subject would only be regurgutating responses that have been made since time immemorium. Both you and I know the resources for that argument are in plethora all over the internet. <br /><br />What I'm a little disturbed with, is that you quoted me as having made a comment I never made. In quotations you referenced a comment I made by saying, "[Jesus] could not have paid the price for mankind’s sins not being our kinsman redeemer." I made no such statement. <br /><br />Jesus did in fact pay the price for the sin of all mankind. But as scripture states that all man is born with sin, that sin entered all mankind through one man, then no "man" who was only man could pay the price. That's why Jesus, fully God and fully man, born of a virgin, sinless, had to take on that role. Your remarks elude to an idea that Jesus could not have done so if He were "God"? But perhaps you just meant "God alone?"<br /><br />The bottom line here is that we are talking about two different people. Jesus according to scripture, was THE One and only Son of God, fully God and fully man. Not a created being, but Eternal in the Heavens - and this is where the JW faith gets it wrong, to the point where the denomination had to change the biblical text in John Chapter 1 to make it meet their doctrine. "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was God, and the Word was with God...and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." Your denomination, made of sinful men, changed that phrase to read the "the word was [a] God..." Jesus was not "A" God, He IS THE God. <br /><br />Most cults will work in the same manner. Proposing to be Christians (when no quality or respected religious resource in the world agrees), trying to be like Christians to give your cult some sort of legitimacy, you use the same terms that Christians use, but with different definitions in a well orchestrated and purposeful manner to deceive people from the truth. In doing so, you become unwitting agents of the enemy. <br /><br />The JW Jesus, is NOT the Jesus of the bible. So any explanation of the work your Jesus has done for mankind, is in fact moot to this argument, and germane only to a cultists interpretation. <br /><br />I apologize if my apologetics seem as if they are a personal attack. They are not. TJ, I pray that the blindfold of ignorance and deception be removed from all people who have fallen prey to false doctrines and false teachers. My job is not to belittle you, but to protect the flock which I serve, and to make certain that unbiblical doctrine is strongly refuted here on my blog for the protection of all true belivers and seekers who might be reading. We may not be doctrinal borhters, but you are a creation of God, and for that I owe you the utmost respect.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-41654402212973186102010-09-16T21:02:08.926-07:002010-09-16T21:02:08.926-07:00Tom, you say "[m]ake no mistake, I fully unde...Tom, you say "[m]ake no mistake, I fully underdstand your doctine", yet above you said that from our view "[Jesus] could not have paid the price for mankind’s sins not being our kinsman redeemer." We in fact <i>do</i> believe that Jesus became a human, our kinsman, in the fullest sense of the term in order to become our savior.<br /><br />I understand that you're full of zeal and ready to speak boldly about your beliefs (and others'), but what you have done above, perhaps unknowingly, is create a strawman argument. That's all I'm trying to point out to you.<br /><br />Now, if you care to discuss the Trinity from a strictly <i>biblical</i> standpoint, I'd be happy to address that with you for a time. Simply stating over and over again that it's true and we are heretics isn't really all that productive or convincing.TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026162065212920554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-48029613450399171902010-09-16T13:51:35.717-07:002010-09-16T13:51:35.717-07:00I'm happy to be corrected if in fact I am wron...I'm happy to be corrected if in fact I am wrong. If we are to be open to the truth of scripture, we must all be open to the fact that a particular doctrine we hold true, may in fact be false. But the Bible must be the standard and not tradition or any extrabiblical writings. <br /><br />The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus IS God. The scond member of the Godhead including God the Father, Jesus (God the Son), and God the Holy Spirit. Proper exegesis of scripture cannot deny this. If your traditions, interpretations or changing of biblical scriptures make Jesus anything less than God, than you have made the Bible less than the true Word of God. <br /><br />Make no mistake, I fully underdstand your doctine: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20090401a/article_01.htm <br />The JW doctrine is the total denial of the Trinity which is in fact a biblically heretical doctrine. It is for that reason that the JW and Watchtower Society are not accepted as orthodox Christians by any other orthodox Christian group - same as the Mormon church. <br /><br />I'm not angry or bitter and I do not speak in hate. But I must speak out when a response is given the is less than factual. Terminology is critical to proper understanding. The Jersus you teach (Not God, Not part of the TRinity) is NOT the Jesus of the bible. And so there we must part ways.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-58993901564655213342010-09-16T09:42:41.395-07:002010-09-16T09:42:41.395-07:00Tom, the point of my post was not to argue whether...Tom, the point of my post was not to argue whether or not you agree with our understanding of scripture, it was to correct a <i>misunderstanding</i> of our beliefs in your post above. Your response shows further misunderstandings of our beliefs, as we certainly view Jesus as the Son of God (but not God the Son, which certainly requires eisegesis).TJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09026162065212920554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1368062358933724013.post-17538424561871952832010-09-10T18:12:28.879-07:002010-09-10T18:12:28.879-07:00Simply because the Bible refers to Jesus as the &q...Simply because the Bible refers to Jesus as the "last Adam" does not make Him and Adam equal. This is eisegesis, forming an opinion nased on a verse that fits your desired intention. If you properly exegete the Word, and entire "counsel of God" as Paul calls it in Acts 20, you find verses like Heberews 2 and I Peter 3 that sow that jesus was above tha angels, and made to but just a little below them as He became man. This is not possible if He was for ABOVE them before hand. <br /><br />Paul deaqlt strongly with the heretical deception of the early first century as false teachers even then came to try and paint Jesus as less than the Son of God. Such is not the case.Tom Spithalerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766489415247208464noreply@blogger.com